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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 6 2013, 10:38am
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A detailed look at the themes/motifs from the AUJ soundtrack
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Hey guys I took the time and made a list with all themes and motifs I could find on THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY SPECIAL EDITION SOUNDTRACK from Howard Shore. I've read very often that people only remember the MISTY MOUNTAIN SONG from the movie as the only new and memorable theme and that Shore only used existing leitmotifs from LOTR. They do use known themes and motifs but there are also a lot more new themes and motifs as you might have noticed yet. Perhaps after reading this post you may hear the CDs again. Here's a detailed list I made few days ago. Most of the names are not official but I tried to use names which actually might be the official ones Howard Shore or Doug Adams would use ;) If you notice something strange or false please tell me:
THORIN'S THEME
DISC 1
Track 1 (2:17, 5:34) ---- Track 5 (0:00, 0:29, 1:28, 2:14, 2:46) ---- Track 9 (1:55, 2:52, 3:58)
DISC 2
Track 2 (2:42) ---- Track 5 (0:21) ---- Track 11 (0:46, 4:42)
EREBOR THEME
DISC 1
Track 1 (1:58, 5:44) ---- Track 5 (0:56, 1:54) ---- Track 15 (2:06)
DISC 2
Track 2 (0:59, 3:07) ---- Track 11 (1:21, 4:09, 4:25) ---- additionally in the movie (2:27:24, 2:37:46)
MISTY MOUNTAINS SONG
DISC 1
Track 6 (0:00) ---- Track 8 (1:30) ---- Track 12 (2:22)
DISC 2
Track 2 (0:42) ---- Track 5 (0:00, 2:22, 3:04) ---- Track 17 (0:50) ---- additionally in the movie (1:50:53, 2:11:40, 2:15:55, 2:22:39, 2:31:42)
GANDALF THE GREY'S THEME
DISC 1
Track 2 (3:32) ---- Track 3 (0:30, 2:13) ---- Track 10 (0:03) ---- Track 11 (1:46) ---- Track 12 (3:54, 4:42) ---- Track 13 (1:47) ---- additionally in the movie (42:12, 57:01, 2:11:17)
GANDALF'S SECONDARY THEME
DISC 1
Track 10 (0:16) ---- additionally in the movie (56:47, 2:11:31)
SMAUG'S THEME
DISC 1
Track 1 (4:16, 4:57, 6:06) ---- Track 5 (1:34)
DISC 2
Track 11 (5:27)
ARKENSTONE MOTIF
DISC 1
Track 1 (3:03) ---- Track 5 (2:38)
AZOG/GUNDABAD ORC THEME (variation of the DESCENDING THIRD MOTIF from Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 9 (0:57, 4:35)
DISC 2
Track 3 (0:03, 0:17, 0:53) ---- Track 6 (3:37) ---- Track 7 (1:06) ---- Track 10 (2:11) ---- additionally in the movie (55:09)
NECROMANCER'S THEME (variation of the DESCENDING THIRD MOTIF from Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 10 (4:49, 5:33) ---- Track 14 (1:41)
DISC 2
Track 4 (5:53, 6:17)
NECROMANCER'S SECONDARY MOTIF
DISC 1
Track 10 (6:09) ---- Track 14 (2:50)
DISC 2
Track 4 (7:41)
WARG THEME
DISC 1
Track 15 (0:23)
DISC 2
Track 10 (0:32)
RADAGAST'S THEME
DISC 1
Track 10 (0:50, 3:50) ---- Track 14 (0:46) ---- Track 15 (0:05)
DISC 2
Track 4 (6:40) only bass line
TROLL'S MOTIF
DISC 1
Track 11 (1:34) ---- Track 12 (0:09, 0:22, 1:35)
OPENING THEME
DISC 1
Track 1 (0:00)
DISC 2
Track 11 (0:32)
BILBO'S BAGGINS/TOOK THEME
DISC 1
Track 5 (4:43)
DISC 2
Track 4 (1:30) ---- Track 13 (0:09) ---- Track 14 (0:31) only Took
BILBO'S ADVENTURE THEME
DISC 1
Track 1 (0:37) ---- Track 8 (0:12)
DISC 2
Track 11 (3:25) ---- Track 14 (0:00, 0:17) ---- additionally in the movie (2:21:23, 2:31:08)
BILBO'S FUSSY THEME
DISC 1
Track 3 (1:40) ---- Track 5 (3:18) ---- Track 8 (0:57) ---- Track 11 (0:15) ---- Track 12 (0:27)
DISC 2
Track 9 (3:41) ---- Track 14 (1:00)
BILBO'S ODD BEHAVIOR MOTIF
DISC 1
Track 2 (1:31, 4:05)
OUT OF THE DOOR MOTIF
DISC 1
Track 5 (5:22) ---- Track 7 (1:03)
DISC 2
Track 13 (0:52) ---- additionally in the movie (41:30, 42:00)
DWARF LORDS' THEME
DISC 1
Track 3 (3:43)
DISC 2
Track 16 (1:35)
DWARF SECONDARY MOTIF
DISC 1
Track 8 (2:01)
DISC 2
Track 17 (0:00, 0:29)
DWARF ADVENTURE MOTIF
DISC 1
Track 8 (0:41)
DISC 2
Track 15 (0:00, 0:13, 0:39)
DWARF EXILE MOTIF
DISC 1
Track 1 (6:29, 7:22) ---- Track 3 (0:10, 0:40) ---- Track 13 (0:44) ---- additionally in the movie (2:31:18)
FIRST SHIRE THEME - PENSIVE (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 1 (0:52) ---- Track 2 (0:00, 0:44)
DISC 2
Track 5 (1:38) ---- additionally in the movie (1:50:24, 2:22:05)
SECOND SHIRE THEME - RURAL (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 2 (1:03, 1:51)
THIRD SHIRE THEME - PLAYFUL (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 7 (1:39)
DISC 2
Track 14 (0:45)
FOURTH SHIRE THEME - HYMN (From Lord of the Rings)
additionally in the movie (1:42:05, 2:36:51)
A HOBBIT'S UNDERSTANDING THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 14 (0:08) ---- additionally in the movie (1:41:45, 2:19:20)
NATURE'S RECLAMATION THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 2
Track 10 (1:58) ---- additionally in the movie (2:32:06, 2:32:26, 2:34:23)
RIVENDELL/ELROND THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 2
Track 1 (1:00, 1:36) ---- Track 4 (0:00, 1:00, 1:09)
LOTHLORIEN/GALADRIEL THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 15 (2:28)
DISC 2
Track 4 (3:50) ---- Track 5 (0:46)
ISENGARD/SARUMAN THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 2
Track 4 (4:38)
MORDOR/SAURON THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 10 (6:23) ---- Track 14 (3:11)
DISC 2
Track 4 (8:06)
ORCS' FIVE-BEAT PATTERN (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 2
Track 7 (0:00) ---- Track 9 (1:18, 4:07)
HISTORY OF THE RING THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 2 (2:33)
DISC 2
Track 8 (0:14, 0:46, 2:33) ---- Track 9 (0:41) ---- additionally in the movie (1:58:33, 2:07:26, 2:13:07, 2:21:45)
PITY OF GOLLUM THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 14 (0:38)
DISC 2
Track 8 (4:22) ---- Track 9 (5:14) ---- additionally in the movie (2:01:45, 2:02:25, 2:08:34, 2:09:35, 2:19:00)
GOLLUM'S MENACE THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 2
Track 8 (1:43, 2:04) ---- additionally in the movie (1:57:19, 2:00:56, 2:04:09)
GANDALF'S FIREWORK MOTIF (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 1
Track 2 (3:41)
GANDALF'S FAREWELLS MOTIF (From Lord of the Rings)
additionally in the movie (1:20)
NAZGUL THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
additionally in the movie (2:28:54)
MORDOR'S DESCENDING THIRD MOTIF (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 2
Track 4 (0:36) ---- additionally in the movie (2:28:54)
GONDOR REBORN THEME (From Lord of the Rings)
additionally in the movie (2:36:34)
WITCH KING OF ANGMAR MOTIF (From Lord of the Rings)
DISC 2
Track 17 (2:22)
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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FlyingSerkis
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Aug 6 2013, 11:07am
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Yes, there are a lot of great new themes (thank you for pointing out the dwarf motifs to me, I hadn't really clocked them yet!). My favourites are Bilbo's themes - the Baggins/Took and the Adventure ones in particular. I think it's a huge huge shame that we don't really hear the Baggins/Took theme in AUJ but I hope that doesn't mean PJ has banished it completely! 
The new themes were used sparingly in AUJ as there was so much LOTR material in there, but this is definitely making me look forward to the score for DOS. We know Howard has still got it!
Well done again! 
PS - there is one theme that I'm not so impressed with, and that's the Azog theme. It serves its purpose, but I find it a bit dull. I wonder though if this is because Azog wasn't such a major character in the early stages of the film, so Howard Shore only wrote a simple offshoot of the Descending Third for him, and Azog's role grew significantly after that.
Then Manwė and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to Aulė; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. 'Eru is bountiful,' she said. 'Now let thy children beware! For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril.'
'Nonetheless they will have need of wood,' said Aulė, and he went on with his smith-work.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 6 2013, 11:30am
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Perhaps Shore evolves it for DOS?
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Thanks a lot for your nice words! :)
It serves its purpose, but I find it a bit dull. I wonder though if this is because Azog wasn't such a major character in the early stages of the film, so Howard Shore only wrote a simple offshoot of the Descending Third for him, and Azog's role grew significantly after that.
Exactly! I think that is the reason. Azogs role wasn't that big in earlier script versions... I'm sure that Shore will evolves it a little bit more for DOS.
I can't wait for the new DOS themes and motifs. Here are a few motifs/themes I could imagine to be on the score for DOS:
BILBO'S COURAGE/NAMING STING THEME
BEORNS THEME
DARKNESS OF MIRKWOOD MOTIF
BUTTERFLIES MOTIF (perhaps variation of Nature's reclamation theme?)
SPIDER MOTIF (perhaps a variation of Shelobs theme?)
ENTER THE WOODLAND REALM MOTIF
THRANDUIL THEME (it might already be in AUJ, Track 01, 3:23)
LEGOLAS THEME (perhaps even a hint to the Fellowship theme?)
TAURIEL MOTIF (perhaps variation of the Enter the Woodland Realm Motif?)
LAKE TOWN THEME
MASTER OF LAKE TOWN MOTIF (less heroic and more darker version of the Lake Town theme?)
BARDS ACTION MOTIF (with a connection to the Lake Town theme)
GIRION/BARDS FAMILY THEME (with a connection to the Lake Town theme)
BARREL ESCAPE MOTIF (with a connection to one of the Dwarf themes)
BOLG THEME (perhaps another variation of the descending thrid motif?)
THRAIN MOTIF (perhaps darker variation of Thorins or Erebor theme?)
RUINS OF DALE MOTIF
DESOLATION OF SMAUG MOTIF (perhaps variation of Smaugs theme?)
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 6 2013, 11:32am
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THRANDUILS THEME
DISC 1
Track 1 (3:23)
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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TheHutt
Gondor
Aug 6 2013, 11:38am
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Have to check it with the soundtrack, for sure.
Now you could put them in chronological order, like on Doug Adams' annotated score: "We hear the PLAYFUL SHIRE THEME first which transgresses into a different theme"... :)
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Shagrat
Gondor
Aug 6 2013, 12:00pm
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I suppose now we could almost speak of a 'Pipe smoke motif', heard in 'Old Friends' (2.26) and oddly enough in 'Very Old Friends' on the EE.
There's also the theme presumably relating to the Dwarves which we hear in 'Brass Buttons' (6.58) and developed to a grander scale in 'Out of the Frying Pan' (4.23). Unfortunately neither is heard in the film, though the former plays over the end credits.
I know some consider the reprise of Radagastian material heard in 'The White Council' to represent a sort of 'Shadow over the Greenwood' theme, distinct from the actual Radagast motif. Speaking of Radagast's theme, I believe you forgot 'The Hill of Sorcery' (3.23), as Radagast flees Dol Guldur. It also appears again in the film when Bilbo is fleeing the mountains to rejoin the Dwarves (a good example of the unfortunately haphazard way the film soundtrack was put together).
That's all I can think of right now. You've done a very thorough job.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 6 2013, 12:43pm
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Hopefully he'll do a Hobbit Score Book after the EE score of TABA is out. Why would I do all the work if there's a guy who get payed for it? :P
As you said it's "some titanic work" and took me a lot of time. Do do a chronological order... well that's another day... but who knows? Perhaps I will... If I do it I let you all know ;-) Perhaps Mr. Adams calls me to help him... THAT would be a reason to do it! But in the end I'm a huge Howard Shore fan and I really enjoy his Middle-earth music. Also I like Doug Adams analyses. I just wanted to pay tribute to both of them and show that not only musicians (I'm a filmmaker and writer but no musician) understand their hard work in detail! :)
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Shagrat
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Aug 6 2013, 12:50pm
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Don't know why I said EE. I meant FOTR: Complete Recordings.
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FrogmortonJustice65
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Aug 6 2013, 1:18pm
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Didn't notice the recurrence of the little bit from the fireworks scene in FOTR. But I can hear it in my head now that you've pointed it out.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 6 2013, 1:28pm
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It has ti be the scene where they shortly talk about his fireworks
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Funny that music can be such detailed and so connected to the story and even to the spoken words... amazing isn't it?
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Shagrat
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Aug 6 2013, 1:31pm
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I was wondering if you'd class 2.06 of 'Roast Mutton' as another example of the 'Dwarven Adventure' theme, or would you consider it a more upbeat variant of the 'Erebor' theme? Both seem related.
I was also wondering if you'd consider the great fanfare in 'Out of the Frying Pan' (3.42) to be another example of 'Bilbo's Adventure' theme? I'm curious if this is related to this or what you've termed 'The Dwarven Adventure' theme as heard in the track 'Erebor'.
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TheHutt
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Aug 6 2013, 1:32pm
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...you might send him a link to this thread. :)
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FrogmortonJustice65
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Aug 6 2013, 2:03pm
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I can here the motif in my head now. In FOTR, it is much more *brazen* and upbeat; in AUJ it returns in a kind of whimsical format if I am indeed remembering the correct piece of music. You can tell Shore went through great lengths to sprinkle in musical parallels between the opening of FOTR and AUJ.
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cats16
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Aug 6 2013, 9:05pm
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A great list, and many thanks for posting!
The one that caught my eye was "Legolas Theme". Your point about possibly hinting to the Fellowship theme is interesting. I was also considering if we would see some sort of hint to the "Mumakil climb" scene. I love the music for this 1 minute sequence. I'm really curious how Legolas's character arc will be shown, in its earlier stages, in DOS and TABA. I think it's been well-stated here about Tauriel possibly changing his opinion on the involvement of the Elves, giving him the inspiration to join and aid the Fellowship so willingly.
His "theme" could easily be a variation of the greater woodland realm theme. I'm curious if that Mumakil climb theme I mentioned will be hinted at in any of Legolas's fighting scenes.
I'm really just thinking out loud here. Sorry for any likely incoherance. 
But I'm excited to see where Legolas, as a character now present in TH film universe, will develop into the Elf warrior we see in LotR.
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Aug 6 2013, 11:31pm
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Thank you so much for making this amazing list! Sometimes it's hard to recognize some themes until they are pointed out to you.
I am, however, having a bit of trouble seeing how the Bilbo's Adventure theme in Disc 1, Track 1 (0:37) connects with the Bilbo's Adventure theme in Disc 2, Track 14 (0:00). If someone could help me out, it would be greatly appreciated.
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LordotRings93
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Aug 6 2013, 11:33pm
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Is the Erebor track on YouTube?
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I've scoured YouTube for the track "Erebor" on the SE soundtrack, but can't find it. It had bagpipes in it or something like that, and it was a very good tune. Anyone got a link?
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Roheryn
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Aug 7 2013, 8:54am
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I've been hoping somebody would put something like this together, as we wait for Doug Adams to get the relevant book out! I'm looking forward to having some quiet time to sit down and go through the soundtrack with these notes in hand.
I've thought from the beginning that the AUJ soundtrack was brilliant. I love the musical hints at and connections to the LOTR movies, and really appreciate the extra depth we get from those connections. My favourite of the new themes is the Bilbo Baggins/Took theme. I could hum that all day long! I also love all the interconnections between various related themes. Howard Shore tells us a lot with the music, if only we stop long enough to think about it.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 7 2013, 10:21am
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How? Where? I'll do it mmediately
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 7 2013, 10:26am
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I can't send you a link because I think that would be illegal. But if you search for "Erebor Track" or "The Hobbit OST Special Edition CD2 15 - Erebor (Exclusive Bonus Track)" or anything else... you HAVE to find it. When I just looked for it I immediately found at least 8 working uploads (on the first page)... so I can't understand why you don't find it. Perhaps they are banned in your country? I can't find another explanation than this.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 7 2013, 10:42am
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It does but I'm no musician and no Italian either ;-)
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... so I can't give you a professional "music-language/italian answer" to your question but it has the same... well let's call it "opening-cues"? The speed is different but can definitely hear that it has the same begining... Doug Adams could tell you how you call this connection. Perhaps he joins our little conversation at one point ;-)
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 7 2013, 11:00am
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I think it is a combination of both themes
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I was also wondering if you'd consider the great fanfare in 'Out of the Frying Pan' (3.42) to be another example of 'Bilbo's Adventure' theme? I'm curious if this is related to this or what you've termed 'The Dwarven Adventure' theme as heard in the track 'Erebor'.
Thanks for pointing that out! Actually I think it is a combination of both themes. I would make sense if you look at the movie (where it isn't used and we just have another version of the "MISTY MOUNTAINS SONG"). It has to be the scene where Bilbo and the Dwarves rescue Thorin from Azog and his Warg-riders. So in terms of content "THE DWARVEN ADVENTURE THEME" and "BILBO'S ADVENTURE THEME" would both totally make sense, wouldn't it?
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 7 2013, 11:08am
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I haven't thought about that yet... good idea!
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Your point about possibly hinting to the Fellowship theme is interesting. I mentioned in another thread before (I think someone asked if the "FELLOWSHIP THEME" will be in DOS and TABA at some point) that I can see a short glimpse of that theme. There are a few point where I could see it:
1st: We know that Legolas will ask Gloin about his "ugly" wife and son Gimli (I think because he found a picture of both between Gloins stuff)
2nd: We know that Legolas will meet with Gandalf from the last vlog so that would be another possibility
3rd: It is (as I considered) part of the "LEGOLAS THEME" perhaps in combination with the "WOODLAND REALM THEME"?
4th: Perhaps we do see a glimpse of Estel (Aragorn) in Rivendell when we return in TABA... who knows.
I was also considering if we would see some sort of hint to the "Mumakil climb" scene I haven't thought about that yet... good idea!
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FlyingSerkis
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Aug 7 2013, 11:16am
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The "DWARVEN ADVENTURE THEME" and the "BILBO'S ADVENTURE THEME"...
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...are actually very similar - I think they might be variations on the same theme. So the fanfare in "Frying Pan" could be just another variation of the general "adventure" theme. They're all great, anyway!
Then Manwė and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to Aulė; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. 'Eru is bountiful,' she said. 'Now let thy children beware! For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril.'
'Nonetheless they will have need of wood,' said Aulė, and he went on with his smith-work.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Aug 7 2013, 11:23am
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So let's call it "THE COMPANY'S ADVENTURE THEME" and the two others "THE DWARVEN ADVENTURE MOTIF" and "BILBO'S ADVENTURE MOTIF" as variations/parts of the general "adventure" theme. Very, very nice idea!
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Shagrat
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Aug 7 2013, 11:24am
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The fanfare was supposed to score the pinecone throwing scene, but in the film we hear what seems to be an alternate for Smaug's attack on Erebor (thanks to BloodBoal at the jwfan forums for illustrating this). Which is interesting, as this would be the third piece of music which exists for that scene (along with the version in 'My Dear Frodo' and the version used for the scene in the film).
I would hope they resist the temptation for using a rendition of the Fellowship theme for Legolas at any point. I'm sure Shore would, but I'm concerned as to what PJ might want. Something new or a variation of the Mirkwood theme would be best, though I'm open to the Mumakil idea.
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