New tool to combat climate chaos?Vortex Rain Generator (VRG) – Artificial Waterspouts for Arid Climate Resilience (AWACR)
Can we support a new (self-sufficient) Tool that can improve / mitigate the climate / temperature in dry and hot areas with the help of rain clouds (can be creating over artificial --Fair-weather --- ) in a range of 50 to 500 square kilometres at any time and in long intervals?
There are two main types of waterspouts: tornadic waterspouts and fair-weather waterspouts.Tornadic waterspouts are similar to traditional tornadoes in that they form from powerful thunderstorms and can be extremely destructive.
---Fair-weather waterspouts, on the other hand, tend to be less intense and form from weaker storm systems or even under clear skies.---
With the new method (the principle is already tested in many old patents) today's climate and irrigation system can be improved/changed with much greater efficiency than the best current method on the market, and at less than 10% of the existing cost of the same agricultural area.
There are many different designs/methods possible, but with a few modifications, could be one of the simplest solutions to use a disused LNG Super tanker (In a closed cistern, it is more cost-effective to raise the water temperature above 27°C...) to create artificial tornados?Would a movable platform / Super Tanker be able to steer tornadoes even in wind calm days in the desired Land direction?
You can see here that artificial Tornados are possible with just few equipment... Mercedes-Benz Museum - World's highest artificial Tornado - YouTube
Could the salt remaining after evaporation be used to develop mega-salt batteries to store in the ship the extra electricity that can be generated by generating the tornadoes with the steam in the closed mega-boilers?
The increase in ocean surface salinity in salty regions, such as the subtropical oceans, leads to denser seawater and more heat uptake in to the deep ocean. The increase in the rate of ocean heat uptake would reduce the rate of surface warming...
Waterspouts are much easier to control or stop because when they come ashore they have no more (water) power. When we start waterspouts in a supertanker, we only have to "close/reduce" the water source and keep their power under control.
With some tests/experiments far way from populated areas is not so hard to find a scala who is not dangerous to use artificial weather systems...
If we don't use a method to have the necessary water in the hot and arid populated areas, the consequence will be far more dangerous than the fear of testing new technologies ...
---If the self/artificially created rain clouds will be made to rain immediately, no one can claim that they take rain away from other regions...---
As far as controlling weather systems are concerned, in sunny cloud-free days, creating artificial clouds in one's own waters/territory and using them for one's own people/country is no different in volume than the big water desalination plants that have been around for many years ... On a scale of 1 to 10 how more dangerous can this method compare with existing water desalination plants?
Take the minimum of after effects and compare it with the benefits that water brings to nature&humans when brought quickly and efficiently to the necessary places...
With the new device (open source) e.g. 10% of the morass land in Siberia or the desert in the Gobi or in Africa can be transformed into normal forest or land in 5 to 10 years or can be used to keep the air clean in the cities!
Single artificial Waterspouts can be used even in agriculture if the angle at which a gargoyle can work sideways can be controlled guided, so you can use it like a giant water hose that can carry water for miles without to create rain clouds.
To use this idea at maximum 100 or more floating/mobile constructions (submersible?) in an optimal (rotating) formation could have an effect not to be underestimated.... In this way, the "blob" phenomenon and the extremely warm water that has led to coral bleaching and mass mortality maybe can be easily cooled/mitigated....
As a common project with the UK/EU/USA/Russia/China, in the future a much higher goal is possible, because with only a few thousand devices, but with immense water and energy resources, e.g. the Arctic ice cover, glaciers in mountains above 2000 m or the Himalaya can be kept stable...
Is this an important reason to invest more in countries with immense water and energy resources such Canada and Russia?Is that a step more to achieve the goal of Paris Agreement and protect our climate/our planet?
Here you have the prove that artificial rain clouds are possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v67nPTG3Pno and here the old patents who can be combinate for a cheaper and simple method Achmed Khammas - Das Buch der Synergie - Teil C - BESONDERE WINDENERGIESYSTEME - Augmentor-Systeme (buch-der-synergie.de)
If you want to know how waterspouts form, see here Do You Know How Waterspouts Form?
At Florida Key, you can see around 400 natural waterspouts a year. Without these waterspouts the climate in Florida would be much dry than it is now... Statistical Prediction of Waterspout Probability for the Florida Keys in: Weather and Forecasting Volume 33 Issue 2 (2018) (ametsoc.org)
A new method of cloud seeding without chemicals would have no after effects on the environment....In Dubai,(Cloud seeding in UAE: Artificial rain with drones, electricity (usatoday.com)) drones are used to fly into the clouds, where they then release electricity to trigger rain, lower temperatures and provide much-needed water resources.
China to expand weather modification program to cover area larger than India... China to expand weather modification program to cover 5.5 million square kilometers - CNN
So if we have to take time and slowly/controlled/experimentally try to mimic parts of nature's phenomena on a much smaller scale and thus improve the necessary/essential moisture in the soil and air, can we really claim (seriously try!?) to control the weather on the same mass as the Natur?
If we can extremely quickly and efficiently improve the (deadly smog ) air quality in e.g. Delhi (the life quality of millions of people there) with the help of artificial clouds/rain shall we then say this is against the laws of nature and we don`t have right to try it?
When the Indian metropolis of Chennai (coastal city) suffer from water scarcity again, is the only option to get drinking water from a distance of 217 km by train (not enough for all residents there!) or is even possible to get it from very near, (Ocean) with the help of artificial ones Clouds/Rain and provide (on much cheaper way) enough water resources for everyone?
Will our species remain survivable if we try to help ourself or wait that everything to be improved through deus ex machina?
Is it really a disadvantage if the already dry 20% of all water fountains in the world can get water again with the help of artificial clouds / rain? If there is enough water available, do we have at least a 50% chance of preventing the expected mass migration due to the increasing heat waves?
Green/low cost energie source from compressed air balloons under water as Energy generator to start artificial Tornados/Waterspouts? (Compressed air balloons under water as Energy storage or Energy generator? | LinkedIn)
Is a closed loop air circulation system coupled with giant underwater balloons and power generators (attached to the sea floor or in the surface and therefore easier maintenance) powered by a dual bi-directional pull cable cost effective and more energy efficient/green than other similar systems like Kite Power Systems?---
How DeepSeek values this idea:
Your proposal is a fascinating and ambitious vision for addressing climate challenges, particularly in arid and hot regions, through the use of artificial weather systems like waterspouts and rain clouds. While the concept is innovative and has potential, it also raises significant scientific, technical, ethical, and environmental questions. Below, I’ll break down the key aspects of your idea, its feasibility, challenges, and potential benefits.
Key Components of Your Proposal
Artificial Waterspouts and Rain Clouds: Using fair-weather waterspouts or artificial tornadoes to create rain clouds and deliver moisture to dry regions. Leveraging existing technologies like cloud seeding (e.g., Dubai’s drone-based rain generation) and artificial tornadoes (e.g., the Mercedes-Benz Museum example).
Movable Platforms (e.g., LNG Super Tankers): Repurposing disused LNG tankers as mobile platforms to generate and steer artificial waterspouts. Using heated water in closed cisterns to create the necessary conditions for waterspout formation.
Energy Storage and Efficiency: Utilizing mega-salt batteries to store excess energy generated during the process. Exploring compressed air balloons or other green energy sources to power the system.
Large-Scale Climate Mitigation: Transforming arid regions (e.g., Gobi Desert, Sahara) into fertile land. Cooling ocean hotspots (e.g., "the Blob") to mitigate coral bleaching and marine heatwaves. Stabilizing Arctic ice and Himalayan glaciers.
Global Collaboration: Proposing international cooperation (e.g., UK, EU, USA, Russia, China) to scale up the technology. Investing in water- and energy-rich countries like Canada and Russia to support the initiative.
Potential Benefits
Water Security: Providing a sustainable water source for arid regions, reducing reliance on desalination or long-distance water transport. Improving agricultural productivity and reforestation efforts.
Climate Mitigation: Cooling hot regions and reducing extreme temperatures. Potentially stabilizing vulnerable ecosystems (e.g., coral reefs, glaciers).
Energy Efficiency: Using low-cost, green energy sources to power the system. Storing excess energy in salt batteries or other innovative systems.
Global Cooperation: Encouraging international collaboration to address climate change, aligning with the Paris Agreement.
Challenges and Considerations
Scientific Feasibility: While artificial tornadoes and waterspouts are possible on a small scale (e.g., the Mercedes-Benz Museum), scaling up to cover 50–500 km² is uncharted territory. Controlling and steering such systems reliably, especially on windless days, remains a significant technical challenge.
Environmental Impact: Altering local weather patterns could have unintended consequences, such as disrupting ecosystems or affecting neighboring regions. The long-term effects of increased salinity from evaporation (e.g., in oceans) are not fully understood.
Energy Requirements: Generating and maintaining artificial waterspouts and rain clouds would require substantial energy inputs. While green energy sources like compressed air balloons are promising, their efficiency and scalability need further development.
Ethical and Political Concerns: Manipulating weather systems raises ethical questions about "playing God" with nature. Political disputes could arise over water rights and the potential for one region’s gain to be another’s loss.
Cost and Infrastructure: Repurposing LNG tankers and building large-scale systems would require significant investment. Maintenance and operational costs could be prohibitive, even if initial costs are low.
Risk of Failure: If the system fails or malfunctions, it could lead to wasted resources or even exacerbate existing problems (e.g., droughts, heatwaves).
Comparison to Existing Technologies
Cloud Seeding: Your method could be more efficient and environmentally friendly if it avoids chemicals, but it would need to prove its scalability and reliability.
Desalination Plants: While desalination is energy-intensive and costly, it is a proven technology. Your method would need to demonstrate comparable or better cost-effectiveness and sustainability.
Geoengineering: Your proposal shares similarities with geoengineering (e.g., solar radiation management), which is highly controversial due to its potential for unintended consequences.
Scalability and Global Impact
Local vs. Global: While your system could have significant local benefits (e.g., transforming arid regions), its global impact would depend on widespread adoption and coordination.
Paris Agreement Alignment: If successful, this technology could contribute to climate goals by reducing temperatures, increasing water availability, and stabilizing ecosystems. However, it would need to be part of a broader strategy that includes emissions reduction and conservation.
Next Steps
Research and Development: Conduct small-scale experiments to test the feasibility of generating and controlling artificial waterspouts and rain clouds. Collaborate with meteorologists, engineers, and climate scientists to refine the technology.
Pilot Projects: Implement pilot projects in controlled environments (e.g., offshore or in uninhabited areas) to assess environmental impact and effectiveness.
International Collaboration: Engage with governments, NGOs, and international organizations to secure funding and support. Address ethical and political concerns through transparent dialogue and agreements.
Public Engagement: Educate the public about the potential benefits and risks of the technology. Build support for responsible experimentation and deployment.
Conclusion
Your proposal is a bold and innovative approach to addressing some of the most pressing climate challenges. While it faces significant technical and ethical hurdles, it also holds immense potential for transforming arid regions, mitigating extreme temperatures, and stabilizing vulnerable ecosystems. With careful research, international cooperation, and responsible implementation, this technology could become a valuable tool in the fight against climate change. However, it must be pursued with caution, transparency, and a commitment to minimizing unintended consequences.
On a scale of 1 to 10, the potential impact of this method is high (8–9), but the risks and challenges are also significant (7–8). Balancing innovation with responsibility will be key to its success.
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7hhttps://patents.google.com/patent/US7086823B2/en The atmospheric vortex engines has applications in several fields. The invention could produce a large quantity of mechanical energy from solar energy, from naturally occurring heat sources, or from waste heat. The invention depends on differences of elevation and works on the principle that work can be produced when heat is transported upwards by convection. The vortex engine could enhance the power output of thermal power plants by producing mechanical energy in cooling towers and could also improve the efficiency of the conventional part of the power plant by reducing cooling water temperature. The vortex engine is a major improvement on conventional waste heat disposal systems, and its initial use could be to replace conventional cooling towers with superior devices. The improvement in the efficiency of the combined cycle is the result of reducing the temperature of the cold sink from the temperature at the bottom of the atmosphere, typically 30 C, to the average temperature at which the troposphere radiates to space, typically −20 C. In the meteorology field, the atmospheric vortex engine could be used to enhance precipitation, to reduce surface temperature, to reduce...
All things are possible until they are proved impossible... P.S.Buck. Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible. Einstein
7h“If we can create life-saving rain from the sea without chemicals, pollution, or massive infrastructure—how can we justify not trying?” — Ilir Mehmetaj
All things are possible until they are proved impossible... P.S.Buck. Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible. Einstein
2moThe Waterspout Project (Tankers mimic natural waterspouts as convective heat engines. ) redefines water scarcity solutions globally, delivering sustainable, affordable freshwater from seawater. Rooted by #MBS/Saudi innovation, it cools the Kingdom by 5°C, greens deserts, and elevates Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s vision, all while meeting the world’s water needs. Technical Description: Leveraging Rennó et al.’s (1998) thermodynamic scaling, waterspout intensity scales with temperature and humidity gradients. 2,688 tankers—each $6.88M—exploit this: 750-meter funnels skim the Red Sea’s top 5 cm (28–30°C, 50% solar heat), collecting 22,100 m³ per fill. Fresnel solar thermal arrays (370 m², 55% efficient) heat 4,000 m³ to 32°C daily using 5.56 MWh of solar energy—82% renewable, 0.79 GW total fleet demand. Triple-vortex platforms (150 kWh/day, 100 m altitude) trigger waterspouts, lifting 24,000 m³ of vapor to form clouds over 32 km² per tanker. These condense into 10.3 billion m³ of rain yearly across 430,000 km², greening 215,000 km² in two years. Energy totals 5.95 MWh/tanker/day, with no chemicals and minimal brine via evaporation, outstripping RO desalination’s ecological footprint.
All things are possible until they are proved impossible... P.S.Buck. Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible. Einstein
2yWhat effect on climate (Greenland/USA/Europa)) could the thermohaline circulation of the Gulf Stream water have, by (artificially) increasing salinity and its density through fair weather waterspouts, just before the area (about 100 km wide and 20 km long) where Gulf Stream water cools and starts to sink? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation "The thermohaline circulation plays an important role in supplying heat to the polar regions, and thus in regulating the amount of sea ice in these regions, although poleward heat transport outside the tropics is considerably larger in the atmosphere than in the ocean.[22] Changes in the thermohaline circulation are thought to have significant impacts on the Earth's radiation budget."
All things are possible until they are proved impossible... P.S.Buck. Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible. Einstein
2yA line of watersprouts over the Gulf of Mexico.There are two main types of waterspouts: tornadic waterspouts and ---Fair-weather #Waterspouts ---. Tornadic waterspouts are similar to traditional tornadoes in that they form from powerful thunderstorms and can be extremely destructive. Fair-weather waterspouts, on the other hand, tend to be less intense and form from weaker storm systems or even under clear skies.More details/photos: http://bit.ly/3z9tMcM