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RIP Imperials

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Tetrafy
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Seriously not sure why anyone would pick up this for racial bonuses. 2k flat health instead of a percentage? No sustain bonus. Health imp tanks will be ded making it a moot character. Good thing I switched to redguard. Looking like 1. Nord 2. Redguard will be the top tier for tanking.
  • Commancho
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    Exactly, I wrote my feedback already. Imperial from niche DK health tank role will turn into "take anything, but not imperial" race. I'm really glad that someone has spotted that because everyone is overreacting about classes which are fine...

    Let me quote myself:
    Commancho wrote: »
    It seems that the worst race will be imperial....

    Imperial gets slightly more raw HP & Stamina which compared to other races is nothing <no sustain, resistance, damage, unique perks>...

    With the additionaly nerfed healing the only niche build we had for imperial - DK health tank - makes no sense anymore, because 6% heal of max hp with 10% chance was worth much more with 50k+ hp than flat 1750HP with 15% chance <which will probably get halved in Cyrodiil and completly useless>. I mean seriously, this perk was barely useful before nerf...

    Additionaly 5% of Block & bash cost reduction is not worth much as most recommended builds will get you to around 50-60% reduction! What's even the point of playing this race anymore?!

    My suggestion:
      [*] Increases Experience gain in One Hand and Shield Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Gold gain → No changes
      [*] Tough: 12% Max Health → Imperial Training: Increases your Max Health by 2000. Increases your Physical Resistance by 3960.
      [*] Conditioning: 10% Max Stamina → Imperial Mettle: Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
      [*] Red Diamond: 10% Chance on Melee Attack to heal for 6% of Max Health → Imperial Spirit: When you Take Direct Damage you have a 15% chance to heal for 1750. This effect can occure every 1s.


      This would get imperial race where they belong to - heavy armored infantry with great morale. Perfect for tank builds, but not overpowered. Right now, this what you are suggesting will send this race into eternity of oblivion and regret.
    • Tetrafy
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      Commancho wrote: »
      Exactly, I wrote my feedback already. Imperial from niche DK health tank role will turn into "take anything, but not imperial" race. I'm really glad that someone has spotted that because everyone is overreacting about classes which are fine...

      Let me quote myself:
      Commancho wrote: »
      It seems that the worst race will be imperial....

      Imperial gets slightly more raw HP & Stamina which compared to other races is nothing <no sustain, resistance, damage, unique perks>...

      With the additionaly nerfed healing the only niche build we had for imperial - DK health tank - makes no sense anymore, because 6% heal of max hp with 10% chance was worth much more with 50k+ hp than flat 1750HP with 15% chance <which will probably get halved in Cyrodiil and completly useless>. I mean seriously, this perk was barely useful before nerf...

      Additionaly 5% of Block & bash cost reduction is not worth much as most recommended builds will get you to around 50-60% reduction! What's even the point of playing this race anymore?!

      My suggestion:
        [*] Increases Experience gain in One Hand and Shield Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Gold gain → No changes
        [*] Tough: 12% Max Health → Imperial Training: Increases your Max Health by 2000. Increases your Physical Resistance by 3960.
        [*] Conditioning: 10% Max Stamina → Imperial Mettle: Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
        [*] Red Diamond: 10% Chance on Melee Attack to heal for 6% of Max Health → Imperial Spirit: When you Take Direct Damage you have a 15% chance to heal for 1750. This effect can occure every 1s.


        This would get imperial race where they belong to - heavy armored infantry with great morale. Perfect for tank builds, but not overpowered. Right now, this what you are suggesting will send this race into eternity of oblivion and regret.

        Yea I used to play a high health vet imp tank. I saw that in the update and was like oh no rip. Completely killed any individuality the tank build had. 60 to 70k plus tanks will have lost huge health.
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        Tetrafy wrote: »
        Yea I used to play a high health vet imp tank. I saw that in the update and was like oh no rip. Completely killed any individuality the tank build had. 60 to 70k plus tanks will have lost huge health.
        Imperial has lost not only health pool, but also sustain has been nerfed into oblivion. I'm sorry, but as a tank I'm not doing alot of damage, because I'm focusing on aggro & buffs/debuffs. That's why I'm suggesting defensive passives <additional physical resistance and healing while taking damage>. Health tanks will be RIP anyway, but at least Imperial will not be TOTALLY useless like they are suggesting.
      • Bouldercleave
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        I'm surprised they gutted Imperial so much as it is already behind a paywall as it is.

        I guess they decided that they got all the money that they can out of the Imperial Edition and there is no need to give anyone a reason to have one anymore.

        My first character was (and is) An Imperial NB. He will remain my master crafter as he has the majority of the Motifs and recipes.
      • MartiniDaniels
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        Commancho wrote: »
        Tetrafy wrote: »
        Yea I used to play a high health vet imp tank. I saw that in the update and was like oh no rip. Completely killed any individuality the tank build had. 60 to 70k plus tanks will have lost huge health.
        Imperial has lost not only health pool, but also sustain has been nerfed into oblivion. I'm sorry, but as a tank I'm not doing alot of damage, because I'm focusing on aggro & buffs/debuffs. That's why I'm suggesting defensive passives <additional physical resistance and healing while taking damage>. Health tanks will be RIP anyway, but at least Imperial will not be TOTALLY useless like they are suggesting.

        Yes, and that physical resistance will complement nicely with templar and dk passives.
      • Tetrafy
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        Bouldercleave wrote: »
        I'm surprised they gutted Imperial so much as it is already behind a paywall as it is.

        I guess they decided that they got all the money that they can out of the Imperial Edition and there is no need to give anyone a reason to have one anymore.

        My first character was (and is) An Imperial NB. He will remain my master crafter as he has the majority of the Motifs and recipes.

        Yea I used to run high health almost max resists I could sleep playing on the imp dk throwing out warhorns and sleeping. So basically health regen got nerfed high health got nerfed mag dk got a hit. When they do this stuff it makes the game so boring.
      • TiZzA93
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        I put an idea for imperial in ptc racial feed top of page 2 give it a quick look i wanted to make it lore friendly not op for crybabies and most of all useful
      • Tetrafy
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        TiZzA93 wrote: »
        not op for crybabies and most of all useful
        Oh.
      • Tasear
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        Tetrafy wrote: »
        Seriously not sure why anyone would pick up this for racial bonuses. 2k flat health instead of a percentage? No sustain bonus. Health imp tanks will be ded making it a moot character. Good thing I switched to redguard. Looking like 1. Nord 2. Redguard will be the top tier for tanking.

        Orc will be a top tanking race too
      • Tetrafy
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        Tasear wrote: »
        Tetrafy wrote: »
        Seriously not sure why anyone would pick up this for racial bonuses. 2k flat health instead of a percentage? No sustain bonus. Health imp tanks will be ded making it a moot character. Good thing I switched to redguard. Looking like 1. Nord 2. Redguard will be the top tier for tanking.

        Orc will be a top tanking race too

        True probably 3rd right for getting a sustain buff. But that's about it really.
      • AlienatedGoat
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        I still find Imperial to be the best race for tanking. The rework on Red Diamond was a good change that will give better uptime, and the addition of block/bash reduction is much more useful to me than anything the other races have.

        I'm honestly surprised anyone thinks Nord is going to be #1, the removal of the damage reduction for resists was a bad change. It's far too easy to get to the resists cap with skills + passives + gear, so its a wasted racial passive for me.
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      • Ohhgrizyyy
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        Rip Imperials? Ok sure. Watch this...Imperials are sooo bad right now

        https://youtu.be/AdKdB0ij3mo
        Playing on PS4 NA server and current characters are CP 750

        Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magsorc PvP (outdated)
        Lvl 50 EP Wood Elf Nightblade (Currently my crafter)
        Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magplar PvP (outdated healbot)
        Lvl 50 EP Redguard Stam DK PvE (updating)
        Lvl 50 EP Dark Elf Mag DK PvP

        All my builds are outdated...I quit for a year lmao

        PSN ID: SDL_Griz
      • Draxys
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        Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »
        Rip Imperials? Ok sure. Watch this...Imperials are sooo bad right now

        https://youtu.be/AdKdB0ij3mo

        Cool, act like a massive bug is relevant.
        2013

        rip decibel
      • Ohhgrizyyy
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        Draxys wrote: »
        Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »
        Rip Imperials? Ok sure. Watch this...Imperials are sooo bad right now

        https://youtu.be/AdKdB0ij3mo

        Cool, act like a massive bug is relevant.

        Its not a bug. That the red diamond passive but with no cooldown. Its proc'ing on the damage return volatile gives.
        Playing on PS4 NA server and current characters are CP 750

        Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magsorc PvP (outdated)
        Lvl 50 EP Wood Elf Nightblade (Currently my crafter)
        Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magplar PvP (outdated healbot)
        Lvl 50 EP Redguard Stam DK PvE (updating)
        Lvl 50 EP Dark Elf Mag DK PvP

        All my builds are outdated...I quit for a year lmao

        PSN ID: SDL_Griz
      • Mattock_Romulus
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        Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »
        Draxys wrote: »
        Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »
        Rip Imperials? Ok sure. Watch this...Imperials are sooo bad right now

        https://youtu.be/AdKdB0ij3mo

        Cool, act like a massive bug is relevant.

        Its not a bug. That the red diamond passive but with no cooldown. Its proc'ing on the damage return volatile gives.

        Well if Red Diamond procs off of AOE abilities I may not have to race change... Endless Hail, Caltrops, Blade Cloak, Volatile Armor all healing at the same time... would be great.
      • Ohhgrizyyy
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        Mattock_Romulus wrote: »
        Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »
        Draxys wrote: »
        Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »
        Rip Imperials? Ok sure. Watch this...Imperials are sooo bad right now

        https://youtu.be/AdKdB0ij3mo

        Cool, act like a massive bug is relevant.

        Its not a bug. That the red diamond passive but with no cooldown. Its proc'ing on the damage return volatile gives.

        Well if Red Diamond procs off of AOE abilities I may not have to race change... Endless Hail, Caltrops, Blade Cloak, Volatile Armor all healing at the same time... would be great.

        Not all AoE. Its direct damage. So like with volatile armor when someone hits you then they get a small bit of damage returned to them.
        Playing on PS4 NA server and current characters are CP 750

        Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magsorc PvP (outdated)
        Lvl 50 EP Wood Elf Nightblade (Currently my crafter)
        Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magplar PvP (outdated healbot)
        Lvl 50 EP Redguard Stam DK PvE (updating)
        Lvl 50 EP Dark Elf Mag DK PvP

        All my builds are outdated...I quit for a year lmao

        PSN ID: SDL_Griz
      • Cladius30
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        who cares just play whatever you find fun, oh no the imperial is not the best anymore.. boohoo people need to relax
      • Tetrafy
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        Cladius30 wrote: »
        who cares just play whatever you find fun, oh no the imperial is not the best anymore.. boohoo people need to relax

        Its a paid for class I can understand why people would be mot very happy.
      • JJBoomer
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        Tetrafy wrote: »
        Cladius30 wrote: »
        who cares just play whatever you find fun, oh no the imperial is not the best anymore.. boohoo people need to relax

        Its a paid for class I can understand why people would be mot very happy.

        the irony of people upset that a pay for class won't have an advantage is just...priceless.
      • Cladius30
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        you pay for the cosmetic differences and the uniqueness not superiority over game play
      • Ash_In_My_Sujamma
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        Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »
        Rip Imperials? Ok sure. Watch this...Imperials are sooo bad right now

        https://youtu.be/AdKdB0ij3mo

        that's actualy a volatile armor bug returning damage from another volatile armor in a loop. don't portray that as an imperial racial boon.
      • huschdeguddzje
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        I was a fool hoping they would become relevant for dps
      • valusthecateater
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        Yeah. I was tempted to purchase the Imperial at one point, but they don't seem to outclass any of the existing races that come with the game, so I will pass. I know Zos would be accused of pay to win if they made Imperials OP, but they should at least be relevant.
      • Commancho
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        Cladius30 wrote: »
        who cares just play whatever you find fun, oh no the imperial is not the best anymore.. boohoo people need to relax

        Imperial was trash anyway, now it will be utter trash.
      • Tholian1
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        valusthecateater wrote: »
        Yeah. I was tempted to purchase the Imperial at one point, but they don't seem to outclass any of the existing races that come with the game, so I will pass. I know Zos would be accused of pay to win if they made Imperials OP, but they should at least be relevant.

        Imperial is just a cosmetic upgrade packaged with a horse and crafting motif. The new passives for Imperial are niche and unimaginative.
        PS4 Pro NA
      • rexagamemnon
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        Why do imperials always get the short end of the stick. They always are the bad guys(except in a few cases) and their passives are the worst now. Imperials are my favorite and they just get crapped in all the time in ESO. The passives dont even match the lore of the game, there are two types of Imperials, from Nibeney and Colovia. They should be getting bonuses to health, Magika and stamina. Now their passives are the worst
      • Beardimus
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        I dont get why they didnt make the 10th race open to both mag and stam play. the 3 alliances have a race for each role, pretty much - why just make imperial a 4th (and now weaker) tank only.

        I want a MagMancer Imperial DD just cos..
        Xbox One | EU | EP
        Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
        Emperor of Sotha Sil 02-2018 & Sheogorath 05-2019
        1st Emperor of Ravenwatch
        Alts - - for the Lolz
        Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
        Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
        Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master

        Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
        Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
        Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders

        Xbox One | NA | EP
        Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
        Heals-With-Pets : VR16 Argonian Sorc PvP / BG Healer
        Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
        Beardimus le 13iem : L30 Dunmer Magsorc Icereach
      • Ragnarock41
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        Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »
        Rip Imperials? Ok sure. Watch this...Imperials are sooo bad right now

        https://youtu.be/AdKdB0ij3mo

        Thats volatile armor procing itself against another volatile armor, which as a result procs red diamond infinitely and since volatile hits for so low this happens.

        But sure,lets act like its imperials fault.
      • bpmachete
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        10% stam made it so at least that without sustain and a wasted passive, we could bang with the best of them, in PvP burst. Orcs had that extra Melee but we had 4% more stam and Redguards were more sustain. Now all of a sudden Woodelves can hit as hard as us as well on top of extra divines mundus sustain, they can now hit harder than Nords which should never happen. The Orcs now get an extra divine warrior mundus which is way better than the melee passive, extra stamina sustain they did not have. They will now hit way harder than Imperial and Imperial can never reach them. Now also from out of nowhere the uptight Dark Elves can bang way harder than Imperials as well. Imperial is left as the weakest in many aspects. To justify this massive weakening in comparison, Imperials should get more max stam at least... if not don't worry, we will get them soon, the Third era is not far off.
        Edited by bpmachete on January 23, 2019 2:03PM
      • Aluneth
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        Imperials aren't just mediocre, they're boring too. I don't mind being mediocre, if it means that there is some fun and interesting flavour to the race.
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