ZOS need to clear up whether we will have the whole Elsweyr or just Anequina

Lyserus · January 2019

If only Anequina is in the chapter then they should just name it ESO Chapter III: Anequina
This is potential scam if they are showing the whole Elsweyr on this official site https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/elsweyr but actually only releasing Anequina

Expect a shootstorm if they just stay silent until the last moment

I really hope I am wrong, but this image https://imgur.com/a/qvJ6yeh appearing during the stream is making ppl uneasy

And I really doubt they will release the whole Pellitine as a DLC in Q4

Elsweyr chapter was already lacking special content, and only getting half of the map with the same price and not being upfront about it is gonna cause problems

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom whether we are getting only Anequina or the whole Elsweyr, please respond before the last moment

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2019

Theres already a precedent for them naming a Chapter after a whole province and only including a portion of the province.

Morrowind.

Lyserus · January 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Theres already a precedent for them naming a Chapter after a whole province and only including a portion of the province.

Morrowind.

But the expectation is different.

They announced it will be the whole Vvanderfell island, not other parts of it, so people was okay with it

But we are talking about half of the Elsweyr missing while they are labeling and marketing as the whole province is gonna be there

Nebthet78 · January 2019

Lyserus wrote: »

If only Anequina is in the chapter then they should just name it ESO Chapter III: Anequina
This is potential scam if they are showing the whole Elsweyr on this official site https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/elsweyr but actually only releasing Anequina

Expect a shootstorm if they just stay silent until the last moment

I really hope I am wrong, but this image https://imgur.com/a/qvJ6yeh appearing during the stream is making ppl uneasy

And I really doubt they will release the whole Pellitine as a DLC in Q4

Elsweyr chapter was already lacking special content, and only getting half of the map with the same price and not being upfront about it is gonna cause problems

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom whether we are getting only Anequina or the whole Elsweyr, please respond before the last moment

I think the second half of Elsweyr may be in the Q4 update, much like Murkmire was this past year.

dovakiin5574 · January 2019

The map they showed looked like the entire Province tbh

j.greenmanb16_ESO · January 2019

Lyserus wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Theres already a precedent for them naming a Chapter after a whole province and only including a portion of the province.

Morrowind.

But the expectation is different.

They announced it will be the whole Vvanderfell island, not other parts of it, so people was okay with it

But we are talking about half of the Elsweyr missing while they are labeling and marketing as the whole province is gonna be there

Well, its not the WHOLE thing, we don't get access to the island to the north where Dagon fel would be, nor do we get access to the regions closer to the Red Mountain.

I imagine they named it so because we were going to where TES: III Morrowind was, celebrating its anniversary and so forth.

But calling this one Elsweyr does make one assume it is the whole province.

Anzriel · January 2019

iirc I think they said during the livestream we'd be visiting many parts of Elsweyr over the course of the year, so I don't think it's just Anequina.

Lyserus · January 2019

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

If only Anequina is in the chapter then they should just name it ESO Chapter III: Anequina
This is potential scam if they are showing the whole Elsweyr on this official site https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/elsweyr but actually only releasing Anequina

Expect a shootstorm if they just stay silent until the last moment

I really hope I am wrong, but this image https://imgur.com/a/qvJ6yeh appearing during the stream is making ppl uneasy

And I really doubt they will release the whole Pellitine as a DLC in Q4

Elsweyr chapter was already lacking special content, and only getting half of the map with the same price and not being upfront about it is gonna cause problems

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom whether we are getting only Anequina or the whole Elsweyr, please respond before the last moment

I think the second half of Elsweyr may be in the Q4 update, much like Murkmire was this past year.

I seriously doubt it. I mean, I would be okay with it, but consider the size difference between Pellitine and other DLC zones...

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

The map they showed looked like the entire Province tbh

Exactly the problem.

Aluneth · January 2019

I would imagine that most of the players (especially new players) either don't know about the difference, or just don't care. They get a zone that is (hopefully) the size of Morrowind and Summerset, and they won't even think twice about which part of the land they're in.

MattT1988 · January 2019

How about you just wait and see?

Lyserus · January 2019

MattT1988 wrote: »

How about you just wait and see?

Well that's what I would do

But I'm talking about the large amount of people assuming getting the thing ZOS is marketing then stop concerning until it comes out. Despite all these "pre-warning" posts here you will find rage posts when that announcement comes out and it only includes half of province

I'm not saying I will participate in the upcoming shootstorm if the news is bad, I'm saying there WILL be one

richo262 · January 2019

I'm fine with them releasing half of Elsweyr. Think about it.

If the zone size is similar to Morrowind / Summerset, you don't lose anything. If the zone on the Tamriel map is half the space, it means they can use that for future content.

Why would you want them to burn through the map faster than they have to? If they can release a chapter quality content, with a healthy zone size, but use less Tamriel map space, that is a good thing.

I'd be more worried if they started burning through the map, it means they have less future orientated plans. The fact they are conserving the space means they do have future plans.

Best case scenario is, Chapter sized zone with the least Tamriel map real estate occupied.

Being pissed off would only be justified if the Zone is much smaller than the usual chapter size.

Edit : From an advertising perspective of calling it 'Elsweyr', it is probably due the whole year being about that region and this is the beginning.

Finviuswe · January 2019

true

Seraphayel · January 2019

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

The map they showed looked like the entire Province tbh

Based on the map they showed us it's not even half of Elsweyr, it's just the Northern part which basically leaves out more than half of the Elsweyr province.

I find it hilarious that some think the map they showed us doesn't apply to the Chapter in the end - why did they even show it then? We won't be getting all of Elsweyr.

Ertosi · January 2019

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

If only Anequina is in the chapter then they should just name it ESO Chapter III: Anequina
This is potential scam if they are showing the whole Elsweyr on this official site https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/elsweyr but actually only releasing Anequina

Expect a shootstorm if they just stay silent until the last moment

I really hope I am wrong, but this image https://imgur.com/a/qvJ6yeh appearing during the stream is making ppl uneasy

And I really doubt they will release the whole Pellitine as a DLC in Q4

Elsweyr chapter was already lacking special content, and only getting half of the map with the same price and not being upfront about it is gonna cause problems

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom whether we are getting only Anequina or the whole Elsweyr, please respond before the last moment

I think the second half of Elsweyr may be in the Q4 update, much like Murkmire was this past year.

ZOS is very hard to predict, but if I had to guess this year's Q4 zone would probably be an Imperial-held zone next to Elsweyr like Bravil and/or Blackwood, which would give us our first PvE Imperial zone still held by them (as Gold Coast is usually considered Imperial but I believe ESO's current lore is that they have temporarily broken off from the Empire).

Doing so, along with Elsweyr's addition, would help extend the current explorable map towards the recently added zone of Murkmire.

MaxJrFTW · January 2019

It's not going to be all of Elsweyr. Use common sense. Elsweyr is a whole province, so far we have 3 full province and they're all comprised of several zones.

High Rock - Bangkorai, Betnikh, Glenumbra, Rivenspire, Stormhaven, Wrothgar.
Valenwood - Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor, Reaper's March.
Summerset Isles - Artaeum, Auridon, Eyevea, Summerset.

Point is they're not going to cover a whole province with a single DLC/Chapter. Was the Morrowind chapter the whole province? Of course not, it was just Vvardenfell. We have 3 Morrowind zones and still a significant portion of it undiscovered.

Aliyavana · January 2019

ya, the entirety of elsweyr is even highlighted so I feel like its false adv

Lyserus · January 2019

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

It's not going to be all of Elsweyr. Use common sense. Elsweyr is a whole province, so far we have 3 full province and they're all comprised of several zones.

High Rock - Bangkorai, Betnikh, Glenumbra, Rivenspire, Stormhaven, Wrothgar.
Valenwood - Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor, Reaper's March.
Summerset Isles - Artaeum, Auridon, Eyevea, Summerset.

Point is they're not going to cover a whole province with a single DLC/Chapter. Was the Morrowind chapter the whole province? Of course not, it was just Vvardenfell. We have 3 Morrowind zones and still a significant portion of it undiscovered.

Look, I am not saying the chapter MUST has the entire province, I'm saying if only part of it is going to be included, they need to advertise as such.

On the official website the whole province is highlighted, so if only part of it is playable, then it is false advertising

MasterSpatula · January 2019

Whatever they give us is going to be roughly the Orisinium/Vvardenfell/Summerset size, so I'd rather have a chunk of Elseweyr with the hope that more is coming our way, giving the entire province a sense of size and scale, than have it get the High Rock treatment, where I look at how they adapted the single largest game world of all time and have to say, "That's it?"

Squeezing the entire province into something the size of Vvardenfell would make Esleweyr seem kind of puny, honestly.

Fingolfinn01 · January 2019

Elsweyr main continent maybe though and hopefully they add to this.

Ermiq · January 2019

I recall another TES game which also had such a scum-ish title - TES IV: Oblivion.

Seriously, I don't think it's something wrong here. TES games have never been named after exact the same locations they had inside the game.

kirgeo · January 2019

Halls of colossus is located in a part of the map not in the Elsweyr chapter. I think they will add part of the lower region as Q4 DLC.

Cloudless · January 2019

Eremith wrote: »

I recall another TES game which also had such a scum-ish title - TES IV: Oblivion.

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TES III: Morrowind comes to mind as well.

Royaji · January 2019

Cloudless wrote: »

Eremith wrote: »

I recall another TES game which also had such a scum-ish title - TES IV: Oblivion.

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TES III: Morrowind comes to mind as well.

I mean, TES: Arena is even worse!

eklhaftb16_ESO · January 2019

Cloudless wrote: »

TES III: Morrowind comes to mind as well.

It is little known that Morrowind was originally supposed to encompass the entire Morrowind, not just Vvardenfell. Observe:

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Of course, they kinda hit the wall of what was realistically possible to render on the period hardware, so they had to tone it down a bit.
ESO doesn't have such excuse, since we already know they are able to use arbitrary terrain obstacles to divide a large area into separately loading zones.

iiYuki · January 2019

I wouldn't call it a scam but its certainly misleading. Calling the chapter Elsweyr heavily insinuates that that's what we are getting NOT half of it now and the other half later.

ZOS_Mika · January 2019

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Darkstorne · January 2019

Lyserus wrote: »

If only Anequina is in the chapter then they should just name it ESO Chapter III: Anequina
This is potential scam if they are showing the whole Elsweyr on this official site https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/elsweyr but actually only releasing Anequina

Expect a shootstorm if they just stay silent until the last moment

I really hope I am wrong, but this image https://imgur.com/a/qvJ6yeh appearing during the stream is making ppl uneasy

And I really doubt they will release the whole Pellitine as a DLC in Q4

Elsweyr chapter was already lacking special content, and only getting half of the map with the same price and not being upfront about it is gonna cause problems

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom whether we are getting only Anequina or the whole Elsweyr, please respond before the last moment

You're looking at it wrong. It isn't a problem. One of the main issues Summerset had was the scale. It may well have been the "largest" chapter they've released, but the island still felt tiny when you could cross it so easily. And repeating identical architecture for every single city, even Alinor, meant cities had no sense of individuality. Imagine if every city in TESV had used Whiterun's architecture. Not good.

The solution is simple - if Summerset's map size is as big as they can go and they can only design one unique set of architecture with a single year of dev time (understandable), then make sure future chapters focus on half a province at a time. Same exploration area, but the scale will make the province more believable. Fewer cities/towns, but more polish in each of them. And leaves room in the future for more chapters or DLC to explore the rest of the province.

Honestly I wish they'd gone this route for Summerset too.

Darkstorne · January 2019

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

Cloudless wrote: »

TES III: Morrowind comes to mind as well.

It is little known that Morrowind was originally supposed to encompass the entire Morrowind, not just Vvardenfell. Observe:

(source)

Of course, they kinda hit the wall of what was realistically possible to render on the period hardware, so they had to tone it down a bit.
ESO doesn't have such excuse, since we already know they are able to use arbitrary terrain obstacles to divide a large area into separately loading zones.

@eklhaftb16_ESO It is even less well known that this image wasn't by Todd Howard's team, but the TES1 and 2 devs

This was their working vision of Morrowind, supposed to be the same colossal size as Daggerfall was (so you could explore outside, but you're not supposed to - it would only have been there to sell the scale). The project was shelved though, and work went into Battlespire by some of the Daggerfall team, while Todd Howard's first project was Redguard. Once both of those were complete the company was in a very rough state, most of the TES1 and 2 team had left the company, and Todd's team had permission to restart Morrowind again as TES3, this time with his vision.

So it was nothing to do with what was possible to do or not (Daggerfall already did it on DOS). It was just a different team, led by Todd instead of Julian/Ted, with completely different goals of what TES should play like.

grizzledcroc · January 2019

Ok , people think it wont be q4 for the other half because the dlc zones are smaller. Guys arnt understanding the big difference is its related to the whole story's a whole. This gives them a exra 6 months to complete the zone fully instead of rushing the whole thing and then jumping onto a small area that is no way related to the chapters location. They finish half the region giving that section the love it needs then immedietly go into the second they most likely already have planned and roughly layed out.