Will not Buy Elsweyr Chapter - Locking the Lore is a Wrong Way

myskyrim26 · January 2019

When the first rumors of Elsweyr as the next chapter appeared on the forum, I was excited. Razum-Dar told about his home, and this was an awesome hint. I was dreaming of Elsweyr since. But I will not buy this chapter.

The beginning of an exciting story – dragons! necromancers! Tharn scheming something! – is LOCKED IN THE WEIRDEST WAY IN THE HARDEST DUNGEONS EVER.

Locking the lore, @ZOS? No money for you than. You can mess anything - races, classes, skills - I can handle that. But locking the lore?! Enjoy it yourself then. It is FINE.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn

DenniMyuu · January 2019

Ok.

Turelus · January 2019

The dungeons should be something most groups can complete on normal difficulty as long as they have some basic understanding of the games mechanics.

I understand peoples frustrations with story being locked behind group based content however, this is something SWTOR did which eventually ended up with them creating a solo/story mode to let people just play the stories.

weedgenius · January 2019

I’m 99% sure you can do the dungeon on normal and learn the lore and not get facerolled. Unless they’ve locked story content exclusively behind a VHM complete (they haven’t) I just can’t understand this stance.

myskyrim26 · January 2019

@weedgenius
10 pages of insightful thoughts on this matter https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453375/solo-dungeon-mode-please/p10

adriant1978 · January 2019

weedgenius wrote: »

I’m 99% sure you can do the dungeon on normal and learn the lore and not get facerolled. Unless they’ve locked story content exclusively behind a VHM complete (they haven’t) I just can’t understand this stance.

Only if you can find a considerate group who are prepared to wait around while you watch/listen, and not kick you because they consider you a dead weight.

gepe87 · January 2019

I'm more worried about we cannot explore whole Elsewyr as advertised.

Beardimus · January 2019

@Turelus perhaps its time that ZOS add 'options' into the activity finder. As all the PUG clashes I see in game and on this forum are around differing motives

i.e. the first timer lore reader getting paired with speed runners. Or event skull collectors waiting on boss spawn paired with CP cap players burning things.

even if we had options like

- speed runner
- lore reader
- first timer

It would reduce rage. I mean even with my mates I was frustrating slow wanting to understand the dungeon 'story' and they just wanted to DPS things dead. so add that to PUG with a heavy lore to follow.

I guess for true lore followers perhaps an option to replay dungeon after a clear with no mobs / boss. but i'm just off the wall solutioning now

idk · January 2019

Did I miss something? I thought all the dungeons involved would be the ones that will be added this year. Has OP tested them or are they just making demands?

Most of the normal versions of the DLC dungeons have been pretty easy. I would expect Zos would make these new ones particularly easy since they are part of the story.

BTW, this is just an FYI, businesses tend to not like demands and when someone says they will not buy something as part of the demands many businesses stop listening at that time since it is clearly a customer that is impossible to deal with.

They do listen to rational, level headed feedback though.

MornaBaine · January 2019

It IS annoying. It can be darned hard to put together a group who wants to take the time to fully explore a dungeon and take the time to not only read but listen to all the quest dialogue. I'm not interested in farming for gear, especially with the RNG stacked against me. I far prefer to leisurely explore new content on my own at my own pace. I'm salty enough that as a subscriber fully half the DLC is, to me, worthless dungeons when what I want are new ZONES to explore and play in, even if they are small. I realllllly dislike ZOS' focus on dungeons.

myskyrim26 · January 2019

idk wrote: »

Did I miss something? I thought all the dungeons involved would be the ones that will be added this year. Has OP tested them or are they just making demands?

Most of the normal versions of the DLC dungeons have been pretty easy. I would expect Zos would make these new ones particularly easy since they are part of the story.

BTW, this is just an FYI, businesses tend to not like demands and when someone says they will not buy something as part of the demands many businesses stop listening at that time since it is clearly a customer that is impossible to deal with.

They do listen to rational, level headed feedback though.

There's feedback on the new dungeons on PTS forum section. There's a discussion about a non-reward solo dungeon mode https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453375/solo-dungeon-mode-please/p1

susmitds · January 2019

I personally tried those in the PTS. The normal versions are much easier than recent DLC normal dungeons, basically almost base dungeon normal difficulty. It is quite easy for anyone but an absolute new player.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised for a change. Also dungeons not having lore would cause people to complain that dungeons are going against the lore and hence shouldn't exist.

myskyrim26 · January 2019

susmitds wrote: »

I personally tried those in the PTS. The normal versions are much easier than recent DLC normal dungeons, basically almost base dungeon normal difficulty. It is quite easy for anyone but an absolute new player.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised for a change. Also dungeons not having lore would cause people to complain that dungeons are going against the lore and hence shouldn't exist.

The easiest soulition: a non-reward solo dungeon mode https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453375/solo-dungeon-mode-please/p1

WatchYourSixx · January 2019

I'm pretty sure someone said the prologue has a dialogue option that lets you skip having to do the dungeon just for the tablet parts but I could be wrong

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · January 2019

I think you all missed the op's point its not doing the dungeons at normal or vet etc, its the fact that part of the story is behind a paywall, so they are saying if the want the full story for Elsewyr that have to buy the dungeon pack to know the full story or experience it, they where not on about the dungeons them selfs

IwakuraLain42 · January 2019

You can read the feedback on the new dungeons on the PTS subforum. From what I read there (not many people seem to have run the new dungeons on Normal) I take it that they are on the level of the base game Veteran dungeons and that the new Veteran dungeons (esp. the HM modes) are more like vetTrials.

That (dungeons getting harder, even on Normal) has been a trend for years, which would be fine weren't it for the new trend to lock story behind it. You can also find the dungeons leads pretty much insulting reasoning there. I can understand OP's rage very well, till now the story was available to all, not any longer.

But the writing on the wall has been clear for some time now: if you were comfortable with the base games Normal dungeons then ZOS will not give you any more dungeons, the Normals in the DLCs are meant for the people comfortable with base game Veterans while the Veterans in the DLC are meant for endgame players. The content ZOS envisions for you are the two Story DLCs per year.

Beardimus · January 2019

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

I think you all missed the op's point its not doing the dungeons at normal or vet etc, its the fact that part of the story is behind a paywall, so they are saying if the want the full story for Elsewyr that have to buy the dungeon pack to know the full story or experience it, they where not on about the dungeons them selfs

Ok, if so shame as l I think the dungeon chat had legs.

"I want new content for free" doesnt. and £25 isnt a huge investment for new content once a year, surely same argument for Morrowind / Summerset?

I'm the opposite, I WANT to pay but this time have no PVP reason to do it (MW had BG, SS had JC)

Ash_In_My_Sujamma · January 2019

Op, are you the guy that created the thread asking for solo dungeon modes? Oh, yes you are. Why so much negativity towards any form of group content? Have you tried the normal mode on pts? Did you even bother to check? Even in skyrim a group play mode is highly demanded by the players but here you are, in ESO, demonizing all group content.

Mr_Walker · January 2019

idk wrote: »

Most of the normal versions of the DLC dungeons have been pretty easy.

Yeah, nah.

AlienSlof · January 2019

Just get 3 mates who also want to play through the story and you're sorted.

PardusMelas · January 2019

price is acceptable and i will definitely pay for elsweyr

myskyrim26 · January 2019

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

I think you all missed the op's point its not doing the dungeons at normal or vet etc, its the fact that part of the story is behind a paywall, so they are saying if the want the full story for Elsewyr that have to buy the dungeon pack to know the full story or experience it, they where not on about the dungeons them selfs

No - I'm will be happy to pay for a content I can do. I buy all story DLCs and Chapters. But a story can't be done in a group. I already posted links, there's a 10-page discussion.

@AlienSlof https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453375/solo-dungeon-mode-please/p1

P.S. if you're that AlienSlof, I'm your big fan!

Ash_In_My_Sujamma · January 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Most of the normal versions of the DLC dungeons have been pretty easy.

Yeah, nah.

Care to elaborate? Maybe we can help you on the difficulty you are facing on normal mode dungeons.

caesarvs · January 2019

myskyrim26 wrote: »

When the first rumors of Elsweyr as the next chapter appeared on the forum, I was excited. Razum-Dar told about his home, and this was an awesome hint. I was dreaming of Elsweyr since. But I will not buy this chapter.

The beginning of an exciting story – dragons! necromancers! Tharn scheming something! – is LOCKED IN THE WEIRDEST WAY IN THE HARDEST DUNGEONS EVER.

Locking the lore, @ZOS? No money for you than. You can mess anything - races, classes, skills - I can handle that. But locking the lore?! Enjoy it yourself then. It is FINE.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn

well, complaining about GROUP content in a MMO makes no sense to me. Go back to your single player offline games

AlienSlof · January 2019

I am that AlienSlof, yes! And thank you.

myskyrim26 · January 2019

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

Op, are you the guy that created the thread asking for solo dungeon modes? Oh, yes you are. Why so much negativity towards any form of group content? Have you tried the normal mode on pts? Did you even bother to check? Even in skyrim a group play mode is highly demanded by the players but here you are, in ESO, demonizing all group content.

Nobody is taking your group content away, just relax

Here's something for you also

Colecovision wrote: »

So, I tried a new dungeon on the pts and it wasn't too hard to figure out the one shots from the trash mob (yeah that's a thing now). Then I got to the first boss and I kept thinking of the monster being ZoS and me representing the solo players in this thread.

I fought with everything I had and then he hit me in the air and pinned me. Then I (with our dreams) was dead. While pinned it looked like another player could bash. I tried to avoid it, time and time again, but it was smack, pin, dead, smack, pin, dead and then I thought I'd just try and bow him to death. So on my final attempt, with shuffle active and mid dodge roll, he leapt all the way across the room and smack, pin, dead.

Zos isn't just saying "no" to the solo. They are really making it clear we are not allowed to continue the main storyline solo. It's their server and we play with others or we don't get to play. I'm gonna finally give in. If I can't do the story properly and other adventurers are going to take care of the dungeon part for us, as described by zos, then the other adventurers can do the next chapter for me too and I'll just save the money.

These guys really have no clue about rpg. It's all mmo over there, with no sense of rpg whatsoever. Anyone else remember the cutscene in TESIII where it is made so abundantly clear that many have tried to be the neraverine and all had failed. ONLY the character we were playing could possibly complete the main quest objective. That's an rpg. You play the hero.

Here it's, meh, someone else did it, it's cool, buy the chapter and pick up where the adventurers left off. Um, no. Obviously no.

adriant1978 · January 2019

AlienSlof wrote: »

Just get 3 mates who also want to play through the story and you're sorted.

3 mates who want to play through the story AND are good enough to complete the content AND are on the same server as you AND play at the same time as you AND don't think you're a horrible casual

Reistr_the_Unbroken · January 2019

Already regret pre-ordering Elsweyr if the “normal” mode is treating me like I’m a “vet”

weedgenius · January 2019

myskyrim26 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

I personally tried those in the PTS. The normal versions are much easier than recent DLC normal dungeons, basically almost base dungeon normal difficulty. It is quite easy for anyone but an absolute new player.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised for a change. Also dungeons not having lore would cause people to complain that dungeons are going against the lore and hence shouldn't exist.

The easiest soulition: a non-reward solo dungeon mode https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453375/solo-dungeon-mode-please/p1

How could this possibly be the easiest solution when it requires the developers to spend time, money, tech resources, etc. to (as someone in your thread puts it) "plan, implement, test, and adjust" pre-existing content and LFG systems?

It's really simple. ZOS made the decision to incorporate the backstory of their new chapter into the new dungeons knowing full well that some solo players who do not want to do dungeons would not be happy. Yet they still did it. What does that tell you? To me, it seems their easiest solution is to encourage solo players to do group content rather than reinventing group content to suit solo players.

myskyrim26 · January 2019

@weedgenius
It is not time and resource consuming at all. A lot of solutions are in my link. Mercenaries, Emperor buff, scaling - ZOS already have scaling and all things developed. No new instances required. Just strip the dungeons of all the rewards, and here we are, a solo mode.

adriant1978 · January 2019

weedgenius wrote: »

It's really simple. ZOS made the decision to incorporate the backstory of their new chapter into the new dungeons knowing full well that some solo players who do not want to do dungeons would not be happy. Yet they still did it. What does that tell you? To me, it seems their easiest solution is to encourage solo players to do group content rather than reinventing group content to suit solo players.

I think you are almost certainly right, but that does not mean that solo players have to like it.